There was something about those little-colored blocks that started it all Twitter @catdaddymbg, Get ad-free access to our hobby videos, a monthly crate of miniatures, and support some of the best creators out there for as little as, If you buy something from a link on our site, we may earn a commision. Look at Rackham from 10 years ago. All names, trademarks, and images are copyrighted by their respective owners. We just make claims. So the person being greedy here is you. After what number model those artists are paid ? Both have exactly the same parts. Do they source their injection molds from Australian materials and Mexican labor? They should suffer! We arent saying you shouldnt buy alternate versions of models that you can use in your tabletop games. Recasting can come out of any country, I can think of at least seven countries from which recasters regularly produce illegal copies. I mean, yes, you have to pay sculpting, designing, producingBut after a certain amount of models sold, the rest is profit. Copies from recasters, most of the time from China, are at first glance an option to acquire otherwise expensive miniatures at affordable prices. Plain and simple. The models they had to sculpt digitally and then cast in a way they would both fit in the box, and be easy to mass produce. 256. r/Warhammer40k. How can anyone claim the second company is not greedy, and yes the second company gets targeted by pirates and the first doesnt. Also, if you think this is going to destroy GW, check out their profit margins in their annual business reports. Recasters mates, I got a leviathan dreadnought for 40 NZD, Here I was just about to order a god damn Storm Hawk and their page gets ----ing annihilated, Rip, they should be back up in a couple of days. That is crazy for such a quality. Another army made unplayable. Back in 2018, we saw a similar scene as well: So it appears after raising their prices on Forge World overnight by 20%, or more in some cases, Games Workshop may have started to go after Warhammer recaster companies located in China directly this holiday season. Umm. Ive loved games workshops products for over 20 years now but im finding it harder and harder to justify spending so much on their productsespecially after they tried so hard to stop us here in australia finding cheaper prices overseas, ill continue to support gw by buying genuine products but im not going to pay the crazy prices they want is to pay here. An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. why is it that if I spend 70 on a primarch from forgeworld, I have to send at least 3 or 4 of those parts back to be exchanged because of mould slips or just general terrible casting and I will likely have to return one of the replacements they send me too. You stole it. Check out their full message on their Facebook page. The above is, again, scare-mongering. Great article, it is a fair fight and I am seriously pleased to see this being taken seriously, even in the comments section. Age of Sigmar is more popular than WFB was. Their heart is closer to their craft, and I could not justify owning their product while paying someone else for it. No it is killing the cinema. Not the original miniature companies.. Not because GW has a better product, but because GW will sue the crap out of anyone who makes a model that looks similar to a GW model. New 40k, AoS, & More: GWs Release Preview LATEST, Orks & Christmas Bundle White Dwarf November 2018. To view the purposes they believe they have legitimate interest for, or to object to this data processing use the vendor list link below. They should be 30% of that and maybe nobody would copy that. In addition, as you will see later, the casting is not good and irregular surfaces of material are very evident. FJ was developed by a multicultural team of various beliefs. Greg Smith, omg, really ? The cost of your model is not only resin, but a sum of the voice, buy from a recaster and you are a thief like the recaster itself. There are sticky areas and others that are shiny showing where the resin has not properly cured because of a bad preparation mixture. They are bentor folded, transparent and rough surfaced. It looks all of you here have enough money to afford 300 pounds a month to spend on models. hell do they even pay their staff a decent wage. All I can say is that the metal quality is horrible. But if we want to talk about greed; innefficient capital structures like the massive litigious company games workshop has become cant talk and the average human animal forced into a capitalistic system also cant be blamed. However, by doing so we are ignoring the damage that this does to the industry behind this hobby of ours. to produce a 45 dollar marine squad it cost 5 bucks, sure. Yes. Some companies sell their original 28mm figures for less than 1.50 yet other companies sell theirs for 8. Its even happened with the newer hobbit resin models that are supposedly of better quality (its nowhere near forgeworld quality). Exactly so. CCoN has lower inventory variety and higher cost, but he's cheapest when he has a sale and it's really good quality. Recaster Z is the lowest cost and highest inventory overall, with a bit of a cut on quality. Because without these proper companies, our industry would never evolve and improve, and we would probably go back to painting flat detail-less DIY miniature soldiers (with all my respects towards them). There was a study by the EU relating to video games that piracy helped games sell better. If you order anything that is not titan sized you get all the same issues the recasts have. I have original models, but only because I discovered only recently about recast and I will definitely go this way. These artists work hard. We are talking about recasts: illegal copies of miniatures. Mainly Forgeworld and resin copies of Games Workshop plastic kits. GW copycat ideas from sourses like Terminator,Alien, Dungeons and Dragons and what not. If you are honestly trying to peddle such nonsense as recast being better than originals you are either seriously deluded or an outright liar! As it goes for GW story is different as plastic is better, quality great and models in box sets are not so expensive. GW seldom does. If you plan on punishing players (and I mean PUNISH them) when you compare what you offer for what other reasonable vendors offer, you find re-castes are a result of your own actions. How Imperial Agents Work in 10th Edition & Free Arbites Rules! Manufacturer SCALE 75 minis, have put their foot down and advocated an anti-piracy message into the hobby world. These illegal copies are either found in the second hand market or directly by those looking for a 70% discount or more. While actual models are 3D printed from a computer file done by a minimun wage payed designer and then casted the most hollow and thin possible to minimize costs and reduce durability. Im not into recasting but what I find ridiculous is Games Workshops prices. We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. I need some of the bigger suits for my tau and they are pretty expensive so I would most likely turn to a recast. And I do not buy the excuse hey, this is an expensive hobby. Lately all brands have seen how our creations are being reproduced illegally and without any scruples in a massive way. The other aspect is quality of product, I know a lot of LoTR players would rather buy metal recasts from ebay rather than finecast versions of originally metal models from gw (basically all the elite troops were switched from metal to finecast when finecast first came out, so its not even the improved finecast). We basically pay to perpetuate the work of each and every one of the artists involved in the birth of this miniature. Thats despicable. Games Workshop wont disappear. Not the original miniature companies. Detail is not lost when buying from larger recasters. We are always keen to ensure continuous improvement of our processes, so you will be involved in researching and identifying new ways for Games Workshop to approach infringing and counterfeit product removal and implementing improvements to the infringements process.. Really you are the idiots here supporting such a corporation. clearly you have no idea about running a business you think that when you buy a model you pay just for resin ? You aren't allowed to use recasts in a GW store, for one (though depending on the quality, people might not notice). rockit cool direct die oculus link mic not working. How many of us would not be hobbyists if it wasnt for our local GW? Quality and durability is a real issue with their resin, Ive had several LoTR finecast models break on me while gaming far too easily, usually on fine detail or blades thats near impossible to effectively fix. And people have stopped going because why spend 20 on a family trip to the cinema (10 years ago) when you can get the movie for free. The price of the cinema these days is ridiculous. Ive never bought a re-cast and never will. I am relatively new to the hobby maybe 4 years now and get the argument from each side. Thanks for the guys who give chance for better value and access to minis that I will never otherwice will be able to buy. Game workshops prophit have been that big that instead of making their models cheaper for their customers they gave their staff a 2 thousand pounds bonus ( tax purposes) so boo hoo if the greedy fuckers are losing in the grand scale of things pocket change. The first company produces models that are far better sculpts and casts than the second. Illegal sellers proliferate on second-hand portals, ebay, e-mail contacts and even mobile aplications for peer to peer trading. The figure in the picture (Nash) Sold 32 uni. Also several Rackham miniatures. Dont get confused. Theyre decent sculpts, decent quality minis. Big mistake to highlight just one country for recasting. Ought I go back to whipping them, or should they be permitted to return to working in the fields? They stole the right to complain about re-castes when they demand unreasonable prices, and thus stealing the joy of the hobby. u go to china to get the product made why do you deserve protection from western copy right laws ? Suffer in the worst way possible. The resin *can* be toxic, but buying from larger recasters is safe. What companies are u using for recasts? This is no reason to price them with a disparity of 15-20 thats just a poor outlook. Horus Heresy Adds a New Librarian Consul Model! It is our mission to bring you the latest from the miniature wargaming scene, from narrative missions, hobby how-to tutorials, battle reports, unboxings and reviews, retro flashbacks, news, rumors, and more. Obviously, as you will see now, the original copy hasvery good quality in every detail. However, basically its the same piece, without any add-ons, so it works to do the comparison. I also dont really care that much, GW killed warhammer fantasy so I dont mind if they get whats coming to them. You have not idea about, a totally ignorant. A movement has started to help raise awareness about the loss of income these folks have started to experience recently. Greedy company? I have no remorse whatsoever for GW. Maybe it will work for them but I think they are pushing away many potential newcomers to the hobby which is the future. When you create a community of over 200 players/painters from occident and another 300 mainlanders, manage to make an order form for let say greenstuff world for those 500 lads to get legit stuff, and you are being told : you guys are thief so no we wont deliver in China because we do not want to get copied While saying that to a European. DVD prices havent gone down. The recasts I buy are better quality and for what I would 80 quid for from forge world I can buy from China for 20 dollars including delivery. What do you think of the latest Warhammer recaster to get shut down by Games Workshop ? Famous search engines of Chinese products show easily references of companies like Andrea Miniatures, Nocturna Models, Young Miniatures, Knight Models, and many others. The above article is, quite frankly, scaremongering. I love the crocodile tears about the indie companies. The analogies used are baseless. Lets say I want a cheap 1k starting army, but Im a college kid who cant justify the outrageous cost ($250 minimum, plus the hobby equipment and paint for at least $300 min). After that no surprise if some brands get copied in the first place, that kind of behavior and answer has no place in a world where international trades are a thing. I bet you steal music and movies. This would be paradoxal. Although you will see the very evident differences, during this comparison you will find the original piece on the left pictures and the recast to the right. Someone mentioned looked at Rackham games as if recasts are why they went out of business. Without remorse, there was a supplier that recasted the catalog of Games Workshop and Forgeworld reselling it at a ridiculous price. In the case of this piece, originally from Forgeworld, I had a small problem with the recasters. Sure, theyre making each box manually. I totally understand how the purchasing of recasts of existing stock is hurting miniature companies, but what do you think about the recasting of long out of production (10 years plus) miniatures? Case in point: One miniature, slightly more detailed than a normal marine: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Games-Workshop-Warhammer-40k-Space-Marine-Commander/107298737?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1239&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=pla-51320962143&wl5=1019313&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113137378&wl11=online&wl12=107298737&wl13=&veh=sem Whos being the thief? Not me. Spikey Bits is a site about the hobby of tabletop wargaming. Whats the actual law being broken when trading for a recast model? Hell, 5 years ago they were barely with 10 dollars a share. Alecs is really right for all that fantasy models he refers were sculpted by artists and then casted to mass production, usually in metal and made of thick components. However, by doing so we are ignoring the damage that this does to the industry . You guys do a great job on this site/blog. Just saying individuals like that who do that have no moral compass. The resin used is crap, brittle, with a lot of detail being lost and probably it is even toxic. You are absolutely right and I agree with you (but I like, and buying, many expensive figures). GW greed and agressive copyright protection has no sympathy in my hart, not to mention rule changing every year and leaving youngsters out of hobby due to pricing. These companies do not pay any IP rights. As Alchemy said, they drive more new hobbyists away by doing it in this and inevitably lose out of profit in the long run. 20+ years of Warhammer and I only found out about recasts a few months ago. As you see, this is nightmarish no matter how you look at it. You are completely right about this. Instead of looking into the business that are in the climate (and possibly are the reason for the climate being the way it is) we try to cancel culture those in the hobby. Personally I would like to see new players pick it up and have the hobby flourish. It is not a matter of victimization or educating anyone, but it is about making all our followers understand that the illicit practices of the recasters are causing us to be little by little in danger of extinction if we continue to feed them. GW going out of business would be the best thing in the world for the hobby. I have no problem doing a massive company like GW out of 40 quid. Genestealer Cult, Ad Mech & Eldar Top The 40k Army Lists. Its inevitable anyways in the next 5 years with 3D printing. But if they got a fund together and I am sure there are enough lawyers between hobbyists that can support it pro bono. If that was to happen then there is a chance of changing something. If we demand fairer prices and go outside their control, it is because they are not catering to the majority of their customers. Lets look at Netflix, people didnt think streaming would have as big of an effect as it did as before that everyone blamed everything on pirating. Judge yourselves. My issue is the price, these limited edition models ie: Eisenhorn, Sly, some of the Primaris models are just crazy expensive in comparison. Rules Recaster Z is the lowest cost and - #171951649 added by manollette at Desu Korps of Kreig 21 2019 Games Workshop Warhammer 40k Ork Boyz $40 A recasting catalog 2/2/18 A recasting catalog 2/2/18. The elitism of GW is a prime example; They go so far as not allowing official models in their store tourneys, even when a reasonable counts-as. Its come to a point that, as I said before, this damage can only be prevented by us, the consumers. Imo it tells me that they severely overprice their products for maximum GP. There are many families, people and brands that struggle hard every day to bring you new and spectacular figures and products. Try to pay a good concept designer, a good sculptor, a good painter for box art, than doing promotion, pay tax, location, bills and what else and dont forget you need to have profit for time and risk you took. It is wrong but it is also stupid. Its material has still some margin for manipulation, as opposed to the one in the recast copy. You arent using a recaster, he is using you. Also, the resin used for the recasts is a very smelly material, with a very weak and brittle body, and you have to be careful with it at all times. The surfaces are very rough, have lots of pores and bubbles, there are important burr steps or details covered by extra resin. Recast popularity reflects that or they would not keep popping up. No? Its very easy to make an illegal copy of a miniature, especially if the country where its made has bad labour policies. Man, either you are some kid, troll or just an idiot with no capacity to think logically. @Greg smith : Everyone before me has already said what is correct. @ Greg Smith: That attitude is killing the hobby. You retard, that was already included in the measurement. And what about the companies (from small to big) that produce miniatures based on comics/movies/books/games/characters/ without paying for a license? No one has put more indie model firms out of business than GW. Finecast is so good, I really dont understand recast buyers ! 33% of the original, and with a positive experience in my pocket Im more likely to stick into the hobby, which means more long term profits. So if people in the third world cant pay western prices having recasts means more of a hobby presence that pushes those who value original source into an ongoing if not growing stream of business. These artists may not be local, but they are the ones putting all of their time and effort into bringing you these wonderful creations, only to be outdone by a random recaster. Especially when taken out of context or without a clue of whats going on here Sure there are Chinese recasters, unfortunately I hate to break it to you, but all of the biggest and well known recasts world wide produced here are made by westerners Bummer. Whats the actual law being broken when purchasing a recast? Just saying, this argument is fail. Join. Im now buying models that Id never buy because they are crazy expensive, for example forgeworld knights. They had major financial crisis, had to take crazy decisions Gone! There was a demand so the pirates appeared they sell cheaper and often better quality. Bollocks. 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