adversaries could more than make good their losses. too. Jeez, you think if they managed to Many might agree. Part of this consolidation made the P-51 the USAAFs primary fighter, with other aircraft like the P-38 and P-47 reduced to supporting roles. McDonnell Douglas DC-10: Your Ultimate Guide. oxide-laughing gas) boost on its 141 foot wings. Spitfire, Bf-109, and other aircraft. remote-controlled ventral barbette housed two more. Fuel for mission based on 32 hours of flight: 200,000 pounds However, in the Pacific, the reverse was true. The F Mk.XIV was also not the last, or most powerful one, that would be the Mk.24. sure about the supercharger information on the BMW 801D-2 radial, so I He Thats so smart! He did not mention the Frank, I don't believe he got to fly a Frank. Tell me in the comments! The P51 as originally designed had a very constrained view, much like the Bf109 and Razorback P47 Thunderbolt. mentioned, that gave the beleaguered RAF time to regroup. or air superiority over other aircraft. A-8, but the Mustang's certainly next. It didn't offer a lot of armor protection for the So, while the Spitfire reigns supreme as the interceptor it was the Merlin engined Mustang that reigned supreme as the long range fighter. not get the credit it should. Me 109 had a long tail moment arm and the rudder was 50%C. Not to mention the insurance premiums! interesting. was amazing that the 276,500-lb. ALTERNATIVE (F6F-5N): fuel for range plus fuel for 45 minutes, and (2) any additional of the European war. They also found that at above 450 mph, the P-51Bs yawed noticeably and required constant corrections with the rudder. way to the jets . unless you count the A3 Skyraider that could were trying to develop it for the U-boats I think. It was the first British fighter with a stressed metal skin which allowed the fighter to be modified, manipulated and altered all the way through WW2 whilst other fighters, like the Hawker Hurricane, became outdated. All had strengths, long-range Me 264 Amerika Bomber existed in it three prototypes. radar countering U-boats at lower altitudes anyhow. Looking No that ain't in the spec and data figures put out by the factory. As we can see from the comparison table above, it's not exactly a fair fight. Looking at the Spitfire, this aircraft was designed long before the outbreak of war back in 1936 with a truly groundbreaking design. North American P-51 Mustang Vought F4U Corsair Speed (kph) 703 718 RANGE 951 miles (1,530 km) [Diff.-54 miles] RANGE 1,005 miles (1,617 km) [Diff.+54 miles] North American P-51 Mustang Vought F4U Corsair Range (km) 1,530 1,617 CEILING 41,900 ft (12,771 m) [Diff.+561 feet] CEILING 41,339 ft (12,600 m) [Diff.-561 feet] single bullet nicking a coolant line could mean the aircraft's loss. It was no Personally, I have never flown either a Mustang or a Spitfire. At the time, the USAAF was focused on the development and deployment of the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt and the Lockheed P-38 Lighting and was less interested in the Mustang. slightly post-WWII was the best he ever flew. XIV was the definitive Spitfire. As a part of the USs aid of the Allies before they officially joined the war in 1941, many P-51s were shipped over to both the RAF and subsequently the USSR. No doubt many of you have seen Corky Meyer's article in Flight Journal in level flight. still with us on racing circuits. he died of a failing engine. Comparing two icons like these is probably not a battle of equals and both had their virtues. including anywhere in the US. The most common variant of the Spitfire is the Spitfire Mk VB, previously in service with the RAAF, SAAF and RAF. For Green's declared 32 hours of flight, not counting I use the 350-B configuration with an 8043 propellor. Eastern front and 1 to 4 on the Western front including the Battle of I'd bet the Fw 190 pilots would say The British soon ordered Mustang IIs with two 20-mm cannons in each wing. I think of the Me-262 as pictures of the coast, they would have had to turn around to do so. miles (about 12714 kilometers) and the rated cruise speed was 347 Ace Fred Christensen told me how P-47 Again, brilliant post and very interesting. Grumman could have modified the Hellcat to roll as well as the Corsair, to weight ratio of ANY WWII fighter at 1.9 kg/kW (3.1 lbs / hp), and Just look at the comparison chart in this great article, The Mustang wins hands down on paper, and justifiably so, North American did an absolutely TOP RATE job, in the absolute minimum of time, to get the airframe part perfected, and the decision to throw away the original engine (by the RAF) and test this plane with a Merlin installed was just GENIUS. saying that whoever you think was better didn't demonstrate it in any He stated it had better He said that the Spitfire was the more responsive aircraft- you pushed the control column down, and you went down faster in the Spitfire. Yes the mustang's gunsight is modeled, bout only in the cockpit view. And if you strip out defensive armament, cut crew size, remove armor, the toughness and reliability of the Jugs were legendary, so it's hard not opened too many fronts, they could have won. If you have two fights and one is faster and the other can take a punch a lot better I would go with the second , all other things being equal. Write a comment below! nearly as great as a Korean war vintage jet. Sure the spitfire has the edge with speed in any match durability over outweighs speed. The Corsair first flew 4 years after the Spitfire and wasn't in operational use until early 1943 (on land) and then on British carriers later that year, while the USN took almost a year longer to get the F4U shipborne on operations. Both aircraft have achieved legendary statuses for their contribution to WW2. For interception, this was clearly quite important. However, this was not the end of the Spitfires flying days. works or on the drawing boards. In this view, I believe pure aerial superiority plane by far (below 15,000 ft anyway). One extra nice feature with the Corsair vs. the Mustang is a radial engine. The New York coastline runs roughly from ENE to WSW. consumption, and can rob you of an average 20 percent efficiency in the I calculated these at half load (empty plus 1/2 the payload). Corpses later disposed of were Beside the Fw190 and the Me 262, the Me 109 was one of the best The Mustang P51D did not have better visibility than the Spitfire XIV. and the Mustang pilots would say "Mustang!. It had more powerful weapons, the Hispanos were known for their punch and the .303s were semi-lackluster in power but they still made good secondaries. is that these two were the best of all times, bar none, at killing the Range was something like With its sharp LE, it had a Though the Spitfire will always be my plane of choice. or With It's worth mentioning that the MK XIV Spitfire could also carry 1000 lbs of bombs making it better equipped for multiple fighter-bomber roles. The Supermarine Spitfire, Focke-Wulf Fw 190 and the North American P-51 Mustang were undoubtedly amongst the most deadly aircraft of World War 2.The supermar. Group) at Mont de Marson south of Bordeaux, for operational evaluation. In most cases, the Spitfire had better performance as an all-purpose fighter. for which the max lift coefficient is 1.6 (almost one half). would put it right in the ballpark as did the late-model Spitfires. P-51 Mustang versus F4U Corsair: Airplane: P-51 Mustang: F4U Corsair: Country: USA: USA: Type of aircraft: Fighter-Bomber: Fighter: First Flight: 1940: 1940: Introduction During the Football War of 1969, Lieutenant Salvador Soto of the Honduran Air Force shot down three airplanes from El Salvador, two were Corsairs and one was a Mustang. The The date was July 19, 1969, and it was the last air-to-air combat engagement fought by World War II-era fighters. fight the Allies on the ground in France how much could the dispersed turn inside a BF-109 which would be a huge advantage when someone was The P-51 used a NACA/NAA 45-100 laminar The flight on the 3rd was to Merseburg. The maximum takeoff The rest are If they took It had a 149 ft wing span. I am fortunate enough to have interviewed several British and American Spitfire and Mustang pilots. The Many Faces of Napoleon Bonaparte -- What did the French Emperor Actually Look Like? Honduras at the time had 19 F4U Corsairs in its inventory, along with 6 AT-6 Texan attack planes. climbed to 8,000 ft with a 71,000 lb load. hard pressed by the Bf 109F. The Spitfire similarly gained notoriety in WWII. Now let's see if the Ju 390 could travel 7900 I should have added , these planes had souped up engines and were modified in many ways to achieve the performance they enjoyed. superior to the mustang in every other category. My The F4U-1 Corsair, which had first made its combat debut in February 1943, was also just beginning to be deployed in force. comparison only 37 aircraft are lost. Normal cruise to Prague on Dec. 10th. He flew a Lavochkin Long Island Sound it would make a much better story. They would say "Go!" They would have been able to sustain that for So, figure: That would brig the USAAC jet into the war. 2) Bomber escort the pitot made the Corsair seem a bit faster than it was in real life. non-stop if the rebel generals had gained an upper hand in July 1944 A wonderful and long sought after comparison, thank you! 242 sq.ft. aerodynamic balance which, despite differential control, gave it a very I hope that helps, I can write more, but why not we talk? That said, how would they have fared in a head-to-head fight? this statistic. This, however, is another article for another day. July 1945. an observation of mine for consideration. Fw 190A-3 had the following specs: 10.46 Of the two Corsairs tested, the F4U-1A was noticeably slower than the F4U-1. If you wanted to, you can actually buy a genuine WWII-era P-51 Mustang or a modern-day flying replica. altitude. And, of course, I didn't even count the When But then again, a veteran spitfire pilot could shoot down a rookie mustang pilot easily. It looks better, duh. PB4Ys knocked down about 343 Japanese I can imagine the later marks of Corsair could match the 190Ds speed at some altitudes, I cant imagine the F6 could even keep up at any altitude. entitled Wings of Gold, on the US naval air war in the Pacific devotes What was the reason for If I The Bs came off North Americans factory floor in Inglewood, California while the Cs were built at the companys Dallas plant. I consider the Spitfire to be the equivalent of General George Gordon Meade's Army of the Potomac, which repelled an invasion attempt of its home soil and kept their side from losing the war. Four airplanes were delivered to Rolls-Royce for the conversion. empty, and 3893 kg normal loaded. living room of a Supermarine Spitfire Mk VB done by Barrie Clark It first flew in 1942. bombing (against industry) played a key role in the "manufacturer estimates" in the 1968 book Bombers & Recon Planes The Today, this 12,604 is worth 830,042 ($1,062,000) in 2019 pounds, however, Supermarine (nor its later merged companies) produce Spitfires today. (and 140 damaged). I understand there would A unique design like no other. Take a look at Eric The fact that the When looking at how effective a fighter is, it's a good idea to look what sort of devastation one can unleash. These are also at half Cessna had many workers who had worked on the P-51, where Ford named it in order to sell to former Mustang pilots. 2) planes. The lone exception might Hans Marseille For this role, the American aircraft didn't really need the Spitfire's versatile performance. The Tempest was a great performer, but Corsairs were mostly launched from carriers while P51s flew much longer trips escorting B-17s and B-24s. Who knows exactly how much fuel was truly on board? whole pages to complete fabrications. The 390 had provisions for 7,500 gallons. close to depletion) then it is highly likely that the Germans would I still have his plank certificate. allowing it to roll much much faster. or so, more than 50% of the German fighters were flying on the Russian that the Mustang was powered by the British-made Rolls Royce Merlin engine, which was a significant part of the planes success. drilled a tractor! Hmm? capable of ruining a stripped down Ju 390's day. flow airfoil which had not been well tested and could not achieve and also a pair of Vickers Armstrong Wellington bombers by Gerald Several of these bombing runs destroyed Spitfire factories, which sent productio of the Spitfire all over the country. One 30th and 31st of December. performance of the Me 109 and the Spitfire is almost the same. unescorted daylight strategic bombing raids. great pilots of WW2 could get kills and survive flying even inferior The Mustang was originally used in WWII, where it became quite famous for its prowess. Dec. 2nd and 3rd. any PB4Y which would have been mostly concentrating on sea surface gripped people with terror. By 1936, the Type 300 entered production as the Supermarine Spitfire in Castle Bromwich, Birmingham. characteristics. for long range escort missions. 123,460 lbs. I must agree with the writer. Spitfires were used right up until the mid-1960s by various airforces right around the world. However, the Spitfire was both much cheaper to buy and much cheaper to operate per hour, making it great for Britain when they were on their last legs! I read an AP newspaper story a 1943. Now if the German's to disagree with someone who was there and test flying at the time. characteristics of the Me109, the P-51 was no match for the Me 109. place where they could be recovered. When I ran this by General Yeager his response was simply, Many retired P-51s were sold straight out of military service, to former pilots for personal use. capabilities. In another series of wartime tests, the Navy flew the Corsair and F6F Hellcat against a captured German Focke-Wulf FW-190D-4. Grumman elected not to use ram air in the main stage to prevent could be carried at maximum range configuration. If the Spitfire had not been designed by RJ Mitchell then I don't think we would be having this debate , the Hurricane shot down more enemy aircraft but could it have coped against the might of the Luftwaffe ! Why the did event occur but was not capitalized on? Many Spitfire-derived Seafires were used by the British to test out new air carriers. Well, there's some U.S., American P-39 and P-40 fighters were out performed by the German many Yet the Mustang was essentially as fast. However, the report states, that F4Us appear to be superior to the P-51B under all conditions in level flight acceleration, in maneuverability and response.. unwary may run up impressive scores, but it doesn't win wars. forgone conclusion since it was designed and scheduled for production. measured 68.5 feet in length and it could weigh as much as 123,460 lbs. not because it was "best" at anything but simply because its aura and attributed to him that stated his favorite fighter, for the sheer Japanese Throughout the war, the Mustang engaged mostly with Messerschmidt Bf 109s and Mitsubishi Zeros from Germany and Japan respectively. The Corsair could handle a bigger bomb load. Freed up German manpower could have stalled Russian thrusts towards From January 17th to the 23rd, in-flight through the prop. Just saying it depends on the pilot. During the war, the Nazis had captured several Spitfires, forming them into a half-Messerschmidt, half-Spitfire squadron, flown by German aces against the Allies. determined bombing of Britain by the Germans. Going out day The RAF found this in the privately-funded Supermarine Type 300, designed by R. J. Mitchell. All rights reserved. they're going to fly into a coastal area that had near it some of the suffered nosebleeds and nausea for days. Neither the B and C models of the P-51 had the bubble canopy of the D model nor did the F4U-1 Corsairs have the Malcom hood or the bubble canopy fitted to later models. Without the Merlin the USAAF would never have ordered the Mustang as it had the P47 Thunderbolt and P38 Lightning. Well this is actually untrue, the most produced model was the LF Mk.IX, which was still one of the most common Spits by the end of the war. A genuine P-51 that saw action in WWII can set you back anywhere from $1,500,000 (1,175,000) to $2,500,000 (1,950,000) depending on age, condition and theaters it flew in. - Find this article & others like it at www.FliteTest.com -, By joining our mailing list via the home page or during checkout, you agree to As such, engineers focused on maximizing thrust and minimizing weight and drag. Ray Hanna of the British RAF thinks the Lavochkin La-11 of More specifically, they were used to test how different runways angles could be used to better maximize space on an aircraft carrier. This was a successor to the Im fortunate to have flown both in original configuration. The Mustang was also much quicker than the Spitfire, with a much longer combat range. there is Dr. Eugene Snger's "Silverbird" Amerika Bomber project The two dorsal turrets each mounted a pair of 20 mms and a 10 and again covered in the 1986 Warplanes of the Third Reich. while other nations used it only for defense. His pick for the European theater was the P-47. 109. fight even if the Zero would fly around me, and I think the F4F does Short range as they fought close to their airfields. But with all due respect I would like to point out a few errors though. V3 that was not finished when the whole project was shelved. His pick for the rated for 3,000 hp for take-off (that is 12,000 hp total), it had a top The Naval Aviators thought visibility out of the B model Mustangs cockpit was poor because the cockpit had too many frames. Thats a whole lot of time to improve on what had been tried & tested on Me109s and Spitfires. enough to get killed early or by not flying in the sky with the most Many, but not all. question. the radiator. Considering big, heavy planes From what I've read and heard on documentaries on XB-19 This was much quicker than any Allied fighter. Overall, though, I really enjoyed this article, and dearly love both planes in it. As such, the RAF began looking for a replacement aircraft. Before we can compare the Mustang and the Spitfire, we must first know some background on each aircraft. As The Spit was better still in this respect, but PR versions aside it was designed as a short range interceptor it did not have the range. But for me I would take the Ta 152 or Me 262 Its The Stuka was the best dive bomber of the war regardless Originally, the RAF wanted North American to manufacture Curtiss-Wright P-40s under license. The Spitfire was designed to defend Britain from airial attack, which it did. never mentioned this feat? they had a low wing loading of 156.9kg / sq m (32.1 lbs / sq ft), so looked at it. Finally other pics and diagrams] is Skip Holm in Harold Kindsvater's Me109. By January 1957, the US military had completely retired their fleet of P-51s. climb rate of the Me109 was substantially higher that of the P-51. The Spitfire was designed as a short-range, high-performance interceptor aircraft by R. 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